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	<title>Comments on: The Arrogance of Dawkins</title>
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		<title>By: John Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-328</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Criticising Richard Dawkins’ alleged arrogance&lt;/blockquote&gt;

By denying his arrogance - which even he doesn't deny - you reveal yourself to be of the "idol" mentality. Instead of defending your opinions on your own, you feel the need to deny the obvious flaws of your idol. It would serve your arguments well to fairly grant the flaws of your idol, and defend your position on the merits alone.  
&lt;blockquote&gt;Does it really matter? What about the substance of the argument?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The fallacies, the logically fallacious ad hominem abusive arguments? I don't call that substance. 

 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Does God exist?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To quote Dawkins, God is not disprovable. One thing we agree on. 

 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Do intelligent beings exist elsewhere in our Galaxy and if so, do they
resemble the kind of bipedal humanoid fellows you see on Star Trek with  subtly
differentiated head makeup just to indicate that that they aren’t quite like us?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dawkins states that they do most likely exist, and they are much more intelligent than us. He says this without an ounce of empirical evidence. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
If God did appear on a UK chatshow, say the Johnathan Ross show, he might possibly be subjected to some irreverent teasing about the size of his manhood&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whaaa? I thought size didn't matter. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Criticising Richard Dawkins’ alleged arrogance</p></blockquote>
<p>By denying his arrogance - which even he doesn&#8217;t deny - you reveal yourself to be of the &#8220;idol&#8221; mentality. Instead of defending your opinions on your own, you feel the need to deny the obvious flaws of your idol. It would serve your arguments well to fairly grant the flaws of your idol, and defend your position on the merits alone.  </p>
<blockquote><p>Does it really matter? What about the substance of the argument?</p></blockquote>
<p>The fallacies, the logically fallacious ad hominem abusive arguments? I don&#8217;t call that substance. </p>
<blockquote><p>Does God exist?</p></blockquote>
<p>To quote Dawkins, God is not disprovable. One thing we agree on. </p>
<blockquote><p>Do intelligent beings exist elsewhere in our Galaxy and if so, do they<br />
resemble the kind of bipedal humanoid fellows you see on Star Trek with  subtly<br />
differentiated head makeup just to indicate that that they aren’t quite like us?</p></blockquote>
<p>Dawkins states that they do most likely exist, and they are much more intelligent than us. He says this without an ounce of empirical evidence. </p>
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If God did appear on a UK chatshow, say the Johnathan Ross show, he might possibly be subjected to some irreverent teasing about the size of his manhood</p></blockquote>
<p>Whaaa? I thought size didn&#8217;t matter. <img src='http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dave walker</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>dave walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-326</guid>
		<description>Criticising Richard Dawkins' alleged arrogance is like watching a big nuclear  bomb falling from the sky and sulkily complaining about the Dodgy paintjob. Does it really matter? What about the substance of the argument? Does God exist? If so, why isn't he doing the chatshow rounds like other celeb's to promote
his latest book, Bible 2 in which he seeks to attract a new audience by cutting out all the vindictive megalomaniacal crap and telling us something actually 
worth hearing? I'd especialy like to know about the future of the expanding universe - will it go on forever till all the lights go out or will it all end in a big 
crunch? Do intelligent beings exist elsewhere in our Galaxy and if so, do they
resemble the kind of bipedal humanoid fellows you see on Star Trek with  subtly 
differentiated head makeup just to indicate that that they aren't quite like us?
     If God did appear on a UK chatshow, say the Johnathan Ross show, he might possibly be subjected to some irreverent teasing about the size of his manhood
[or should that be Godhood?] and he could demonstrate to his many Middle
Eastern fans that unlike many of their teddy bear name obsessed rabble, he can
in fact take a joke. Either that or we could be the witnesses to some truly impressive  televised Wrath Of God. Perhaps even, a head to head debate 
between God and Richard Dawkins could be arranged so that we could accurately
guage who is the most arrogant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criticising Richard Dawkins&#8217; alleged arrogance is like watching a big nuclear  bomb falling from the sky and sulkily complaining about the Dodgy paintjob. Does it really matter? What about the substance of the argument? Does God exist? If so, why isn&#8217;t he doing the chatshow rounds like other celeb&#8217;s to promote<br />
his latest book, Bible 2 in which he seeks to attract a new audience by cutting out all the vindictive megalomaniacal crap and telling us something actually<br />
worth hearing? I&#8217;d especialy like to know about the future of the expanding universe - will it go on forever till all the lights go out or will it all end in a big<br />
crunch? Do intelligent beings exist elsewhere in our Galaxy and if so, do they<br />
resemble the kind of bipedal humanoid fellows you see on Star Trek with  subtly<br />
differentiated head makeup just to indicate that that they aren&#8217;t quite like us?<br />
     If God did appear on a UK chatshow, say the Johnathan Ross show, he might possibly be subjected to some irreverent teasing about the size of his manhood<br />
[or should that be Godhood?] and he could demonstrate to his many Middle<br />
Eastern fans that unlike many of their teddy bear name obsessed rabble, he can<br />
in fact take a joke. Either that or we could be the witnesses to some truly impressive  televised Wrath Of God. Perhaps even, a head to head debate<br />
between God and Richard Dawkins could be arranged so that we could accurately<br />
guage who is the most arrogant.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-315</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Richard Dawkins is covering sensitive ground by challenging the deeply held beliefs of often deeply indoctrinated and thought proof individuals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As do many other atheists like Bertrand Russell, without appearing arrogant. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;He’s sure to appear arrogant and upset somebody along the way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Logic, please? Seriously, your logic is horrible. Offensive, even. Sensitive ground, therefore arrogant? Is that a joke? 

Dawkins is arrogant. He refers to himself as elite, and he calls names left and right, and his ad hominem abusive fallacious arguments can hardly be characterized as "the best". His logic is extremely poor due to his taking for granted points that have not been granted, and which are strenuously debated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Richard Dawkins is covering sensitive ground by challenging the deeply held beliefs of often deeply indoctrinated and thought proof individuals.</p></blockquote>
<p>As do many other atheists like Bertrand Russell, without appearing arrogant. </p>
<blockquote><p>He’s sure to appear arrogant and upset somebody along the way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Logic, please? Seriously, your logic is horrible. Offensive, even. Sensitive ground, therefore arrogant? Is that a joke? </p>
<p>Dawkins is arrogant. He refers to himself as elite, and he calls names left and right, and his ad hominem abusive fallacious arguments can hardly be characterized as &#8220;the best&#8221;. His logic is extremely poor due to his taking for granted points that have not been granted, and which are strenuously debated.</p>
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		<title>By: dave walker</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>dave walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-314</guid>
		<description>Richard Dawkins is covering sensitive ground by challenging the deeply held beliefs of often deeply indoctrinated and thought proof individuals. He's sure to
appear arrogant and upset somebody along the way. Having the best arguments
doesn't help really. That just makes him seem more arrogant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Dawkins is covering sensitive ground by challenging the deeply held beliefs of often deeply indoctrinated and thought proof individuals. He&#8217;s sure to<br />
appear arrogant and upset somebody along the way. Having the best arguments<br />
doesn&#8217;t help really. That just makes him seem more arrogant.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-309</guid>
		<description>Reason does not necessitate arrogance. In fact, reason would appear to stand in opposition to arrogance.

And Dawkins is not even vaguely associated with reason, except in a hostile relationship. His demonizing of the opposition, for example, is offensive to reason, i.e., logic. So much so that it is categorized as a formal fallacy by the name of &lt;em&gt;ad hominem abusive&lt;/em&gt;.

Analytical thinkers are offended by ad hominem abusive arguments because they attempt to bypass logical debate and simply discredit the source. Reason dictates that 2+2 will equal four no matter how greedy or pernicious the proponent is. 

And to decisively disprove your proposition that arrogance is an intrinsic part of atheism, I would offer you Bertrand Russell. He's 100 times more articulate than Dawkins, a thousands times more intelligent, and a much more powerful proponent of atheism. And he accomplishes it without even a hint of arrogance. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Reason is superior to superstition.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Reason, owned and operated by Agnosticism, is also superior to atheistic emotive reasoning. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reason does not necessitate arrogance. In fact, reason would appear to stand in opposition to arrogance.</p>
<p>And Dawkins is not even vaguely associated with reason, except in a hostile relationship. His demonizing of the opposition, for example, is offensive to reason, i.e., logic. So much so that it is categorized as a formal fallacy by the name of <em>ad hominem abusive</em>.</p>
<p>Analytical thinkers are offended by ad hominem abusive arguments because they attempt to bypass logical debate and simply discredit the source. Reason dictates that 2+2 will equal four no matter how greedy or pernicious the proponent is. </p>
<p>And to decisively disprove your proposition that arrogance is an intrinsic part of atheism, I would offer you Bertrand Russell. He&#8217;s 100 times more articulate than Dawkins, a thousands times more intelligent, and a much more powerful proponent of atheism. And he accomplishes it without even a hint of arrogance. </p>
<blockquote><p>Reason is superior to superstition.</p></blockquote>
<p>Reason, owned and operated by Agnosticism, is also superior to atheistic emotive reasoning. <img src='http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dave walker</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>dave walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-291</guid>
		<description>Reason is superior to superstition. It's therefore difficult to argue from the standpoint of science and reason without sounding arrogant. The answer is to forget the percieved arrogance and engage with the real, important issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reason is superior to superstition. It&#8217;s therefore difficult to argue from the standpoint of science and reason without sounding arrogant. The answer is to forget the percieved arrogance and engage with the real, important issues.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-215</guid>
		<description>Samuel, do you seriously want to deny that Dawkins is arrogant? Seriously. I dare you to deny it. Because when others point it out to him that he presents himself with an air of superiority, he doesn't deny it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2xGIwQfik

&lt;blockquote&gt;atheists responding to the charge that they are arrogant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Atheism has nothing to do with arrogance. Bertrand Russell was a fine atheist and he was nothing close to arrogant. If an atheist is arrogant, it is a personality disorder that has nothing to do with atheism. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;your knee jerk position&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So far on this blog, your arguments have not been logical. In fact most of them employ transparent logical fallacies. That, coupled with your insults, is textbook definition of knee jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuel, do you seriously want to deny that Dawkins is arrogant? Seriously. I dare you to deny it. Because when others point it out to him that he presents himself with an air of superiority, he doesn&#8217;t deny it. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2xGIwQfik">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2xGIwQfik</a></p>
<blockquote><p>atheists responding to the charge that they are arrogant.</p></blockquote>
<p>Atheism has nothing to do with arrogance. Bertrand Russell was a fine atheist and he was nothing close to arrogant. If an atheist is arrogant, it is a personality disorder that has nothing to do with atheism. </p>
<blockquote><p>your knee jerk position</p></blockquote>
<p>So far on this blog, your arguments have not been logical. In fact most of them employ transparent logical fallacies. That, coupled with your insults, is textbook definition of knee jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-212</guid>
		<description>Take a closer look. Many of the results are atheists responding to the charge that they are arrogant. So while it isn't just you, I do think the objections would make you rethink your knee jerk position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a closer look. Many of the results are atheists responding to the charge that they are arrogant. So while it isn&#8217;t just you, I do think the objections would make you rethink your knee jerk position.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-164</guid>
		<description>Trevor, hi and thanks for taking the time to leave a comment. :)

Proclaiming one's own self worth is a healthy exercise in my opinion. Low self esteem is probably one of the most crippling disorders a human could have. 

The problem is not in proclaiming one's own self esteem, it's in dishonestly and intolerantly characterizing those with different viewpoints as idiots. It's exactly that ridicule that is a disservice to intellectual discourse, and a catalyst of intolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor, hi and thanks for taking the time to leave a comment. <img src='http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Proclaiming one&#8217;s own self worth is a healthy exercise in my opinion. Low self esteem is probably one of the most crippling disorders a human could have. </p>
<p>The problem is not in proclaiming one&#8217;s own self esteem, it&#8217;s in dishonestly and intolerantly characterizing those with different viewpoints as idiots. It&#8217;s exactly that ridicule that is a disservice to intellectual discourse, and a catalyst of intolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: trevor</title>
		<link>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/11/22/the-arrogance-of-dawkins/#comment-163</guid>
		<description>So Dawkins is proclaiming his own worth? Try reading the books again without your blinkers on - there is rational argument contained therein - a breath of reason and fresh air in a world saturated with falsehood and bigotry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Dawkins is proclaiming his own worth? Try reading the books again without your blinkers on - there is rational argument contained therein - a breath of reason and fresh air in a world saturated with falsehood and bigotry</p>
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