Comments on: Abortion Arguments http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/ Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:30:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: John Scott http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/#comment-93 John Scott Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:34:06 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/#comment-93 It's such a complicated argument, that I don't like to address it as a whole. If I can just summarize here, I'll say that the social contract crumbles if you allow certain groups - Blacks, Jewish people, unborn children - to be pushed outside of the definition of "human". Today unborn children or not human, tomorrow the mentally ill? I'll have to write up and opinion on that sooner or later. :) <blockquote>Now I don’t know in what context she made this illustration</blockquote> Full text is online here: http://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm I first read that when I was a teenager. I think it's amazing that it is still considered a leading argument for abortion. It’s such a complicated argument, that I don’t like to address it as a whole. If I can just summarize here, I’ll say that the social contract crumbles if you allow certain groups - Blacks, Jewish people, unborn children - to be pushed outside of the definition of “human”. Today unborn children or not human, tomorrow the mentally ill?

I’ll have to write up and opinion on that sooner or later. :)

Now I don’t know in what context she made this illustration

Full text is online here:

http://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm

I first read that when I was a teenager. I think it’s amazing that it is still considered a leading argument for abortion.

]]> By: kerrin http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/#comment-91 kerrin Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:19:03 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/#comment-91 I agree with you about politicians & journalists and/or intellectuals... all scum (with few exceptions) and produce crap thats helps no one but themselves. The quote you provide by Judith Jarvis Thomson is respectible in the that she recognizes murder as a by-product of intent in abortion. However, her premise is somewhat dishonest in that she sets the individual up as a victim. This illustration would only work in the case of conception as a result of rape (most non-neanderthals would agree that a women is victimized in rape) and perhaps ignorance of the consequences of sexual intercourse (i.e. conception is a possible consequence, although I don't think that is possible in a modern society). Now I don't know in what context she made this illustration and if it was in the context of rape then I have no problem with it and applaud it's honesty. If however she is using it absolutely in her justification/explanation for murder as a result of abortion then I think she is adding to the dishonesty contained in this debate. What do you think? I agree with you about politicians & journalists and/or intellectuals… all scum (with few exceptions) and produce crap thats helps no one but themselves.

The quote you provide by Judith Jarvis Thomson is respectible in the that she recognizes murder as a by-product of intent in abortion. However, her premise is somewhat dishonest in that she sets the individual up as a victim. This illustration would only work in the case of conception as a result of rape (most non-neanderthals would agree that a women is victimized in rape) and perhaps ignorance of the consequences of sexual intercourse (i.e. conception is a possible consequence, although I don’t think that is possible in a modern society).

Now I don’t know in what context she made this illustration and if it was in the context of rape then I have no problem with it and applaud it’s honesty. If however she is using it absolutely in her justification/explanation for murder as a result of abortion then I think she is adding to the dishonesty contained in this debate.

What do you think?

]]> By: John Scott http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/#comment-74 John Scott Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:28:01 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/#comment-74 Politicians are scum. I expect crap from politicians. What really gets me is propagandists posing as journalists and/or intellectuals. Politicians are scum. I expect crap from politicians. What really gets me is propagandists posing as journalists and/or intellectuals.

]]> By: kerrin http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/#comment-72 kerrin Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:51:47 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2007/12/02/abortion-arguments/#comment-72 American politics is <a href="http://www.worthlessthoughts.com/2007/10/phoney-politicians/" rel="nofollow">full of this type of dishonesty</a>. Take any hot political topic and both popular apposing views are wrought with dishonesty. People make whole carriers out of this type of dishonesty. It's very interesting to hear the difference in the Japanese view of abortion, that they "claim that it is a necessary evil". Even the topic of "evil" is a difficult one with most intellectuals in America. American politics is full of this type of dishonesty. Take any hot political topic and both popular apposing views are wrought with dishonesty. People make whole carriers out of this type of dishonesty.

It’s very interesting to hear the difference in the Japanese view of abortion, that they “claim that it is a necessary evil”. Even the topic of “evil” is a difficult one with most intellectuals in America.

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