Comments on: The True Original Extent And End Of Civil Government http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/ Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:01:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: John Scott http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-400 John Scott Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:44:53 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-400 Thanks Kerrin, and yes, I'll be publishing the essay some time. It's very... in depth, and writing a single page takes like 4 days just because everything is being sourced. Thanks Kerrin, and yes, I’ll be publishing the essay some time. It’s very… in depth, and writing a single page takes like 4 days just because everything is being sourced.

]]> By: kerrin http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-396 kerrin Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:56:32 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-396 John, I love it! I'm moving to the country of JohnScott! Seriously are you going to publish it? Sounds like a great essay. Excelent point about government social programs I have often ranted to friends about that. It's amazing to me that people still want to support them after they fail time and time again. To those people who say "that such a government is cold hearted", I would say the government doesn't need the heart the people do. :) John,

I love it! I’m moving to the country of JohnScott!

Seriously are you going to publish it? Sounds like a great essay.

Excelent point about government social programs I have often ranted to friends about that. It’s amazing to me that people still want to support them after they fail time and time again.

To those people who say “that such a government is cold hearted”, I would say the government doesn’t need the heart the people do. :)

]]> By: John Scott http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-394 John Scott Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:33:07 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-394 Hi Kerrin, I missed your commenting. :) I do tend to support the libertarians the most. I'm writing an essay on theory of government, and the proposition I offer is that: 1. government by consent is the only legitimate government (similar to Locke) 2. government authority is established by a social contract 3. the social contract must be one that ALL can agree to, not just a majority 4. that leaves us with law and order only, collectivism not being something all would agree to 5. morality based justice (Rawls, David Gauthier, etc) is a violation of the social contract People would say that such a government is cold hearted, but social programs can and should be operated by non-governmental agencies. They do a better job of it anyway. Hi Kerrin,

I missed your commenting. :)

I do tend to support the libertarians the most. I’m writing an essay on theory of government, and the proposition I offer is that:

1. government by consent is the only legitimate government (similar to Locke)
2. government authority is established by a social contract
3. the social contract must be one that ALL can agree to, not just a majority
4. that leaves us with law and order only, collectivism not being something all would agree to
5. morality based justice (Rawls, David Gauthier, etc) is a violation of the social contract

People would say that such a government is cold hearted, but social programs can and should be operated by non-governmental agencies. They do a better job of it anyway.

]]> By: kerrin http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-393 kerrin Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:38:17 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-393 John, sorry to hear of your sickness... but you know what they say about guys with big tonsils?... oh gees that isn't <b>right</b>!... errr hope you get better soon! "nonsense on stilts"... I like that! I am curious what form of government you would support... if John Scott was to create his own country and form a government what would it be? Or would you just have no government? To me the libertarian form of government seems to be the best at freedom of the individual, while providing protection to the country from outsiders. John, sorry to hear of your sickness… but you know what they say about guys with big tonsils?… oh gees that isn’t right!… errr hope you get better soon!

“nonsense on stilts”… I like that!

I am curious what form of government you would support… if John Scott was to create his own country and form a government what would it be? Or would you just have no government?

To me the libertarian form of government seems to be the best at freedom of the individual, while providing protection to the country from outsiders.

]]> By: John Scott http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-371 John Scott Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:21:04 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-371 Hi Kerrin, Sorry for my delayed response. I've been quite sick, and the doctors tell me I need my tonsils removed. Evidently I have huge tonsils. :( <blockquote>By asking these questions are they not excepting “Natural Rights” by using it as a premise in the question?</blockquote> "Natural Rights" can be the only answer. But natural rights are a figment of one's imagination. In the state of nature, rights do not exist. "Survival of the fittest". As Jeremy Bentham states, the theory of Natural Rights is "nonsense on stilts". Hi Kerrin,

Sorry for my delayed response. I’ve been quite sick, and the doctors tell me I need my tonsils removed. Evidently I have huge tonsils. :(

By asking these questions are they not excepting “Natural Rights” by using it as a premise in the question?

“Natural Rights” can be the only answer. But natural rights are a figment of one’s imagination. In the state of nature, rights do not exist. “Survival of the fittest”.

As Jeremy Bentham states, the theory of Natural Rights is “nonsense on stilts”.

]]> By: kerrin http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-354 kerrin Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:11:53 +0000 http://www.individualsovereigntist.com/2008/01/03/the-true-original-extent-and-end-of-civil-government/#comment-354 <blockquote>What <b>right</b> does the monarch have to order me? None. And what <b>right</b> does the majority have to order me? None.</blockquote> By asking these questions are they not excepting "Natural Rights" by using it as a premise in the question? What is the contract that produces the rights in these questions?

What right does the monarch have to order me? None. And what right does the majority have to order me? None.

By asking these questions are they not excepting “Natural Rights” by using it as a premise in the question?
What is the contract that produces the rights in these questions?

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